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Question from Brandie: Hi Brian, I’m 20 years old and just rented my first place two months ago. It’s an extra bedroom in a large house with the parents of a high school friend. I’m mostly comfortable here and the $400 rent seems reasonable. I don’t want to pay anything more because I have car and insurance payments. My job as a waitress only pays a little over minimum wage. I hope I’m not complaining but I was expecting more for my $400. My friend’s parents keep the house a little warmer than I like and I can’t adjust the heat in my room the way I could at home. There’s no cable in my room but there is Wi-Fi, so I stream shows on my laptop when I don’t care for what they are watching on the big TV. The wife has also told me that can’t throw my shower towel in the laundry after every use, she wants me to use it three times. I’ve adjusted to most of this but now the husband says that if I want to eat breakfast and dinner with them every day that I need to pay an extra $200 each month for food. This seems unreasonable to me. I thought the food was included with the rent. What should I do?
Answer: Hello Brandie. Really? You think that you’re paying too much for room and board? I don’t know what the going rent is where you are at but $400 for a room that includes all the utilities, and laundry service sounds like a tremendous deal anywhere in this country. Renting a room, even from a friend, normally doesn’t include food.
If I were a betting man, I’d bet you’re also getting a few other free services like the wife picking up after you a little bit, cooking meals for you, and almost certainly doing your dishes. I know that I’m old school, but I think at age 20 and with a job, that $400 a month would be a good deal in your own parent’s home. Including food for a total of $600 a month doesn’t sound at all unreasonable.
I get that you are new to living on your own. But consider what it would reasonably cost you for a small studio apartment. Conservatively, I think you would be paying $800 or more just for rent PLUS several other bills like cable TV, electricity, water, internet, and maybe trash. That would easily add up to $1,100 or $1,200. And that is still before you add in the cost of food that you would have to cook. Another $400 a month for food would be living on the cheap side and I bet your friend’s parents are feeding you pretty good food. So now, your up to about $1,600 without any extras and you’d have to pick up after yourself at the end of your waitress shift if you lived alone.
Quite honestly Brandie, I don’t think you know how good you have it for $600 a month. And... getting an apartment normally requires the first month's rent plus a deposit and maybe the second month’s rent. A smart move on your part would be to take advantage of the low amount you are paying now to save money towards getting a place of your own. And consider that these nice people will probably give you a reference when you do get your own place. That alone is worth being nice to them.
I might sound hard-nosed but in my humble opinion, I think you should graciously give both the wife and husband a big thank you for being so good to you and gladly pay the $200 extra for food! Heck, you might even buy a package of toilet paper for the home occasionally.
As a reader, what do you have to say? Am I being unreasonable? Please comment.
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A bit heavy handed there bud. This gal is straight out of high school and living responsibly but you slam her. Not so nice.
Society has lost its soul. According to statistics ELDERLY PEOPLE ARE THE FASTEST GROWING SEGMENT OF THE HOMELESS POPULATION.
Everyone is cashing in their souls via monetization.
Somewhere we have responsibilities for old and young and that seems to be mute. So she is young and naive. You sort of beat her up. There are lots of intangibles unknown for that at this juncture.
You dont know what she eats. It could be fair and maybe foul. You also dont know what they eat and we dont know what her energy footprint yo them is. If she piggy backs services they already like wifi = that is no actual cost to them. Same with house climate control which they insist upon.
Making oddball demands over bath towels seems a bit domineering. I understand multi use but 3 times as a house LAW instead of a preferred guideline seems harsh.
Now rents are HIGH. There simply is no reasonable justification for why. Not in America where there are far more living spaces than people.
Here in Atlanta lofts are the craze but mostly unoccupied due to extreme pricing. This market is unreasonable. I make those notes because ee dont know her market or her earnings. Those people know both and took her almost seemingly as a sponsorship which means = if she began classes of any kind they could apply for an affordable student housing credit and benefit far more (probably $1000 per month).
Today people under the guises of doing a good deed are sharing spaces for money. That can be a good thing only people are now profiteering which is a bad thing.
This gal i would wager is a minimun wage part time worker because that is what is hiring. She may be trying to get into school. These people knew her via their daughter which means they knew her situation. This should make for a win win without nickel and diming.
Now for her she maybe needs to stop being a family member and start being a renter which means = her own towels, her own food. Anywhere else she goes is going to be this.
She needs to learn home economics and maybe take a dave ramsey financial stewardship course.
The room temp can be privately cooled by closing the door and cracking open the window a tad or by buying a fan.
Although the $600 is not off the wall, the point of the housing offer seemed to be to help a young person get on their feet which gets defeated when all these charges start coming and they will. Food may only be the beginning and there is nothing in writing so she could be out on a whim.
School of hard knocks maybe. In the end all parties need to OPEN A DIALOG and keep that going. She needs to go into renter mode and the room is her space not the house, and then begin managing her food and expenses.
You were kind of eluding to that but in a harsh manner that sounded like an angry parent instead of practically advising her.
She deserves a chance. People need to help people because at some point there is going to be more homeless people than shelteted ones. Just saying